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11 Feb y 1807 Letter IV Resolut
11 Feb y 1807

Letter IV

Resolut 6.7.8.9

of expence in the article but a pest[?] [...?]

III Denial of Justice.

To Estimate the price paid for the benefits of Jury-trial in the article of denial of justice - (for jury trial considered as all along in the character of a substitute to Natural procedure,-) the only course I know of /the most appropriate course seems to be/, is to what part of the population the benefit of the Courts of Conscience for the moving of debts under 40', has been extended, and to what part it has not been extended: with the number of causes of that description annually decided in these parts of the country to which justice in that shape is not denied. assuming what is beyond doubt, that for a debt under that sum, not to speak of debts above that sum to a scarce ascertainable extent, Jury trial in the ordinary Courts affords no remedy: costs out of pocket in case of success amounting to 2,3,4,5; or two times the sum, and so on without any certain limit.

1 N' o of Inhabitants in Birmingham [...?]

A o 180 as per Parliamentary Elections .......... 73,670

2 N o of causes per day in the Court of Conscience

there[?] (Hutton p. │ │) 130, per day: i.e.

per week, the Court sitting once a week:

viz. on Friday: thence per year (A o 1787)

130 x 52: say making allowance for Good Friday

&c x 50 = 6,600

3 Other Districts having Courts of Conscience,

as per[?] bills of the Arts for that erection,

42 │: N o of Inhabitants in those Districts

taken together .............................. 2,193,299

4 As 73,670 - the number of inhabitants in the

Birmingham District is to 6,600 the number of

causes (under 40') so may 2,193,299 the number

/aggregate/ of inhabitants in the other Court

of Conscience Districts be supposed to be the

annual aggregate number of causes of the same

value actually decided in all those Courts taken

together

6,600 x 2,193,299  73,670 = 193,429
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    Assuming the value of justice to be the same in one district as in another, if the whole number of inhabitants in England and Wales had Courts of Conscience to resort to the number of causes of 40' value and under in this would bear the same proportion to the number of inhabitants districts which have not the benefit of the Courts of Conscience as those which have.

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    Lawyer - But the Westminster Hall Courts being open for causes down to any the smallest value, and 1' being no uncommon quantum for the amount of damages given by a verdict, an allowance must be made on that score, and a deduction made from your number of 583,338 denials of justice on the causes under 40'.

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