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Fallacies Ch | | Lumpers' Classification

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2. Exposure

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 30 Aug. 1819 This probably superseded.

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Dialogue between a Member of the Ins /Tory Anti-reformist alias Member of the Ins/, a Whig Anti-Reformer, alias a Member of the Outs, and a Reformist, alias a Peoplesman

Dialogue [...?] [...?] Completer[?]

Member of the Ins - (turning the People's-man). Sir, you are an enemy of the Constitution!

Member of the Outs. So he is: I am sorry to say it

People's man. There are good points in the Constitution, and there are bad ones. I am a friend to the good points - I am an enemy to the bad ones. Gentlemen, are you friends to the bad ones?

Member of the Ins. There are no bad ones.

Member of the Outs. No, not one. None at all,

Peoples man. Suppose we were to look at them and see whether there may not be a bad one or two in the number /How are we to know this? Suppose we were to examine /inquire/ them, taking them up one by one./

Member of the Ins /Tory Anti-Reformist/. Not I indeed: no such luck for me[?]: Nothing could be more dangerous. The Constitution never could /could not/ /would/ stand it. No such task for me: no; nor for you neither. Very good advice indeed. The less you say about it the better.
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    Reformist. By law, if a man means any thing, he means the law: and by the law if he means any thing he means the laws: including or not including those imaginary and sham ones which form the contents of Common Law. True and sham together I am a friend to the good ones. I am not a friend but an enemy to the bad ones. Sir, (turning to the Tory AntiReformist) give me leave to ask you, are you a friend for the bad ones? And you, Sir? (turning to the Whig AntiReformist) ...

    Tory AntiReformist. Mum.

    Whig Anti-Reformist. Friend to the bad ones? No, Sir: nor to the good ones neither: if by law you mean laws, and if by laws you mean real ones, for they are now of them of any use /all useless, if not worse/: as to the sham ones, these indeed I am a friend to : good I know no difference. So as they are but sham ones: for then they are whatever it [...?] good men's convenience they should on each occasion what be: whatever good men would have them to be them, men, for me! give me the men I want, I care not what the laws are: no, nor that the measures, The perfection government consists in governing without laws, understand always real ones. Bad laws are plainly bad: and good laws are either bad or useless. This is my creed: I [...?] it from Earl Grey: he Then; wisdom for you! do but admire the depth of it! I get it from Charles Fox.

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    Member of the Ins Very true indeed. What is /True, and very true, and 'tis/ best of all /to/ say nothing at all. Sir, what you want with the Constitution is to subvert it.

    Member of the Outs. That /So/ he does!

    Peoplesman. Not I indeed. To subvert a thing is to turn it: to turn it, by a force applied underneath it. The good points /parts/ - I do not want to subvert /turn/ them: I do not want to meddle with them: the bad points /parts/, I do not want to subvert /turn/ them. I want /What I want with them is/ to get rid of them. With submission, when Gentlemen prefer a charge against /make a charge upon/ a man, it may be as well they should know /it might not be amiss if they were to know /knew// what they mean by it.
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    In all these several cases two objects may be distinguished: one which may be termed the foul spot; namely, according to the extent of it, abuse in this or that particular shape, or the whole system of abuse: the other, the cloak: the cloudy appellative employed as a cloak or cover for the abuse.

    As to the foul spot it may be determinate and thence apparent, or indeterminate, and thence unapparent and undistinguishable.

    So accordingly, on the other hand the cloak may be either a general or a special one: a general one, applying to abuse in all its forms; a special one, applying to abuse in this or that particular form, more particularly or even exclusively with reference to all others.

    For example, turn to the above list. For cloaks, you will see, the words Government, Law, Constitution (meaning the English Constitution) English Institutions, Forms, Order, alias Good Order and Social Order, Religion. Among the works of Government are all the good arrangements that can be seen any where established; as /so/ likewise /and along[?] with them/ all the bad ones. By the undiscriminating eulogy bestowed on Government, the word Government is made or endeavoured to be made, to serve as a cloak to the bad ones: and no sooner does a man bring to view any of the badness of any of the bad ones, than he becomes an enemy to Government.

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