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1819 Aug. 12 ult o Fallacies
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Member of the Ins Very true indeed. What is /True, and very true, and 'tis/ best of all /to/ say nothing at all. Sir, what you want with the Constitution is to subvert it.

Member of the Outs. That /So/ he does!

Peoplesman. Not I indeed. To subvert a thing is to turn it: to turn it, by a force applied underneath it. The good points /parts/ - I do not want to subvert /turn/ them: I do not want to meddle with them: the bad points /parts/, I do not want to subvert /turn/ them. I want /What I want with them is/ to get rid of them. With submission, when Gentlemen prefer a charge against /make a charge upon/ a man, it may be as well they should know /it might not be amiss if they were to know /knew// what they mean by it.
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  • Title: [1819 Aug. 12 ult o Fallacies]
    Description: 1819 Aug. 12 ult

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    Fallacies Ch | | Lumping Classifiers

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    2. Exposure.

    Dialogue on the Law and a Laws

    Tory Anti-Reformist (turning to the Peoplesman /Reformist/ -

    Sir, you are an enemy to law!

    Whig Reformist. So he is: I am sorry to say it.

    Reformist. By law, if a man means any thing, he means the law: and by the law if he means any thing he means the laws: including or not including those imaginary and sham ones which form the contents of Common Law. True and sham together I am a friend to the good ones. I am not a friend but an enemy to the bad ones. Sir, (turning to the Tory AntiReformist) give me leave to ask you, are you a friend for the bad ones? And you, Sir? (turning to the Whig AntiReformist) ...

    Tory AntiReformist. Mum.

    Whig Anti-Reformist. Friend to the bad ones? No, Sir: nor to the good ones neither: if by law you mean laws, and if by laws you mean real ones, for they are now of them of any use /all useless, if not worse/: as to the sham ones, these indeed I am a friend to : good I know no difference. So as they are but sham ones: for then they are whatever it [...?] good men's convenience they should on each occasion what be: whatever good men would have them to be them, men, for me! give me the men I want, I care not what the laws are: no, nor that the measures, The perfection government consists in governing without laws, understand always real ones. Bad laws are plainly bad: and good laws are either bad or useless. This is my creed: I [...?] it from Earl Grey: he Then; wisdom for you! do but admire the depth of it! I get it from Charles Fox.

    /senseless" at every th[...?]that any[?] thing that any man can find /can[?]/ to say against it. - Ask his Lordship else./
  • Title: [1819 Aug. 12 1 0 [?] ult]
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    Fallacies Ch | | Lumpers' Classification

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     30 Aug. 1819 This probably superseded.

    ' 2 Exposure

    Dialogue between a Member of the Ins /Tory Anti-reformist alias Member of the Ins/, a Whig Anti-Reformer, alias a Member of the Outs, and a Reformist, alias a Peoplesman

    Dialogue [...?] [...?] Completer[?]

    Member of the Ins - (turning the People's-man). Sir, you are an enemy of the Constitution!

    Member of the Outs. So he is: I am sorry to say it

    People's man. There are good points in the Constitution, and there are bad ones. I am a friend to the good points - I am an enemy to the bad ones. Gentlemen, are you friends to the bad ones?

    Member of the Ins. There are no bad ones.

    Member of the Outs. No, not one. None at all,

    Peoples man. Suppose we were to look at them and see whether there may not be a bad one or two in the number /How are we to know this? Suppose we were to examine /inquire/ them, taking them up one by one./

    Member of the Ins /Tory Anti-Reformist/. Not I indeed: no such luck for me[?]: Nothing could be more dangerous. The Constitution never could /could not/ /would/ stand it. No such task for me: no; nor for you neither. Very good advice indeed. The less you say about it the better.
  • Title: [1819 Aug. 5 Fallacies Arrangement]
    Description: 1819 Aug. 5

    Fallacies Arrangement

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    2. Lumping classifiers device. The contrivances here consists in the giving to the particular object in question a denomination common to that and to another or others possessed of an opposite or otherwize different quality: lumping thus an object of neutral character with an object of bad /good/ or an object of good /bad/ character: object of goof character: an object of bad character with an object of neutral or good character.

    Take for example Election bribery and Election terrorism. The man of fallacy fives them the name of influences That they are modes of exercising influence can not be denied: nor can it be denied that in cases of Election influence may with propriety and utility and propriety be endeavoured to be exercised: namely that influence which leaving the will free and unoperated upon, applies itself only to the understanding /alone/.

    (a) For an example of the use of this fallacy See Lord Gostunes[?] Defence of the Whigs p.