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1819 Apr. 4
To Erskine 6 IV Whig Demerits
Fallacies
1 Glorious Revolution
They would this insinuate - with the contrary so full as[?] [...?] knowledge - they could this insinuate that we - the people and in particular such of the people of Westminster as with [...?]ly are 'Revolutionists' - that we want a Revolution: while the truth is, as is so well known to them that we want not any thing that ever has been, is with any propriety be designated by any such name as /the name of/ Revolution: and thus the only thing /change/ which when applied to this country has ever born that name is the change which we regard with disgust, because it would not answer /serve/ but counteract our purpose - and which /for the abovementioned reasons/ they have regarded and may at all times be justly considered regarding with complacency, because it would answer their purpose:
They would this cause it to be believed that it is among our wishes that "the people at large" should be "called upon to act for themselves, as of the whole frame of the Government had been dissolved"; whereas so far from its being our wish to see the whole frame of the Government, antient or modern, dissolved, a result by which we ourselves should together with our adversaries be involved in one complet and common ruin, it is not part of our wish that the people at large should ever be called upon to act for themselves. In regard to Government our wish is that the people [...?] should act for themselves: but that they should always to wit in the House of Commons have their Agents to act for them: only /but/ that these Agents should be thus our deputies or delegates call them which you please - Agents appointed by their alledged principals and constituents - not
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Title: [1819 Apr. 4 To Erskine 9 IV Whig Demerits]Description: 1819 Apr. 4 To Erskine 9 IV Whig Demerits Fallacies 1 Glorious Revolution This is among those things which they would endeavour to cause to be believed, knowing as they do, knowing what /as/ I have shewn, and has no one has attempted or will attempt to deny that under the constitution as it is, they in the hands of the supreme power no such tie as obligation but[?] places that all pretence of obligation is hypocrisy and [...?], and that under the [...?] of a mixt government it is an unresponsible despotism that reigns: that reigns and must continue to reign untill parliamentary reform you radical reform shall been established They will proceed to observe that The Revolution was /p. 4/ happily not effected by an indignant and enraged multitude. They will thus endeavour to cause it to be believed that it is our desire not only that a Revolution should be effected but that it is by the hands of an endignant and enraged multitude that we wish to see it effected. They will proceed to observe that it was slowly proposed "that same Revolution of 1688 by the most virtuous and best enlightened classes of the people", they would thus endeavour to cause it to be believed in the first place that at that time in those same classes there existed a general and adequate disposition to sacrifice their own particular interests to the interests of the greatest number of its whole people, and this for the sake /purpose/ of causing it to be believed that at this day in those same classes the same self-sacrificing principle has place: 1 state of things which in both instances and in every instance would be incompatible with the very existence of the species.
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Title: [1819 Apr. 5 To Erskine 10 III. Whig]Description: 1819 Apr. 5 To Erskine 10 III. Whig demerits Fallacies 1. Glorious Revolution Whatsoever you wish people to believe if it be true assert it, if false insinuate it: for by [...?] in the effort [...?] emmence[?] falshood save itself from [...?] They would proceed to observe that those "most virtuous and best informed amongst the higher and enlightened classes of the people, who [...?] took prudent and effectual steps for securing its success without bloodshed": they would this endeavour to cause it to believe that in seeking reform, reformists would rather the business should be done by bloodshed than without it. They would proceed to observe that those same Whigs of 1688 were confident of the support of a vast majority of the people: of all indeed, who loved freedom and detested [(+)] arbitrary power. They would pretend[?] to /and/ say /exclusive/ These were the Whigs of England at the Revolution;" and to add "and I have never till very lately, heard theor representatives decendants and representatives, whilst they maintained the principles of their forefathers, considered as an unprincipled faction in the state." They would thus endeavour to cause it to be believed that what ever was good in these principles in which every thing was good is maintained by themselves the Whigs of 1819: and that therefore as the appellation of an unpincipled faction in the state, would /could/ not be applied with propriety to these same forefathers, so neither could it be the present /existing/ descandents of those same forefathers. Well my Lord, now we are come again to those same paw-paw[?] words unprincipled faction. Well my Lord I am glad we are so [...?] to /it is quite pleasant to/ shake hands. No they shan't be called /nobody shall call them/ an unprincipled faction. My bond first: and whoever those were that ever ewre naughty enough to use such words they shall all join with me in the bond. But good as Sancter would say, are good here desire another: and as Lord North said, the reciprocity must not be all on one side. To make the whole matter, before I have done, I think to present /submitt/ to your Lordship Lordship a few queries. When those qwueries have received an answer from Your Lordship, the [...?] of attack and defence is cloud[?], and as Blackstone says, every thing is as it should be. [(+)] p. 4
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