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6 June 1810 §.3 Influence Ch
6 June 1810 §.3

Influence

Ch. Influence undue & not

§.3. Influence where proper

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But in the case in which it is by understanding as well as upon understanding that the influence is exercised, are there not (it may be asked) cases in which the influence is with propriety termed undue? In arguments[?] - the reasons that are employed - suppose it to be to the imagination merely, to the passions merely that they are addressed: or if to the judgment - suppose them to be all of them of a fallacious or deceptitious nature and tendency - of the class of reasonings /arguments/ called sophisms or fallacies? among /of/ all these is there any one which exercised or endeavoured to be exercised upon the understanding by the understanding is not undue?

My answer is - that in these cases to say that the influence exercised is undue is an expression to which the imputation of impropriety could hardly be attributed /affixed/. But in this case to avoid ambiguity, the better way seems to be, in speaking of the influence - not to say that it is undue, but that it is proper influence - influence of a proper species, unduly exercised, exercised in an undue manner.  Add matter influential matter, not undue being matter operating not immediately on the will.

Be this as it may, the practical use of the distinction is this. Influence of understanding over understanding, even when unduly exercised as above, can only to a theoretical purpose be termed undue: it is only the influence of will over will that to a practical purpose can generally speaking at least, be termed undue. Influence of will over will is, when unduly exerted, capable of being repressed by legal prohibition, enforced by penal inflictions: nor is there any body that in such a case would be inclined to object to the use of these.
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    Of understanding in one case it[?] were[?] innoxious not fit to be prohibit

    Of any[?] influence of passions, or imagination or fallacious arguments, noxious but less[?] prohibitable.

    Considered with reference to that part of the mental forum on which it exercises itself, influence, on or by whomsoever exercised, is distinguishable into two primary modifications - influence of will on will, and influence of understanding on understanding.

    That in the case where the faculty immediately operated upon is the understanding and that alone - {the will of the party not being operated upon otherwise than through the medium of the understanding -} the species of influence exercised can not in any case be rightly considered as undue - is another proposition which when once stated and clearly explained no man will it is supposed feel any inclination to dispute. For in this way it is and no other that the influence of reason exercises itself, it is in this way and no other that in the intercourse between one mind and another, the operation called reasoning is performed: so that of such influence to say that it is essentially undue would be to say that in the intercourse between mind and mind the use of reason, and the operation of reasoning are undue.

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    Thence it is that speaking of these two modifications /modes/ of influence, the one will all along be termed influence of understanding on understanding; the other, influence of will over will.

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  • Title: [8 June 1810 Influence analyzed - Ordo]
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    §.1. Objects of this work

    1. What influence proper what undue

    2. Where undue, why & in what proportion

    §.2. Influence if understood over understanding, in no case undue?

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    §.4. Where mischievous, influence of will on will why mischievous.

    Ch.2 King, influence on Members - whether and why undue /mischievous/

    §.1. Existence[?] of a sinister interest on the part of the King supposed by the Constitution.

    §.2. the existence real and indisputable.

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    Ch.3. Systems in regard to the influence of the Crown stated and compared.

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    §.2. Provisional preference /adoption/ necessary to be given to the more popular.

    §.3. More popular - reason for the preference given to it.

    In the open mode of voting the influence of will is exercised on the same person by the same person as d o on understandi g d o on understanding being beneficial as well as unavoidable, protects the sinister[?] from […?]

    Sole method of decomposing[?] them, secret voting.

    H. of Commons (suppose surrounded[?] with a […?] army[?], subject /devote/ to the King & hostile to the House. This not more mischievous than its existing influence.

     7 May 1811

    Give the results in the first chapters.

    Effective mischievousness of undue influence circumstances on which it depends viz on the ratio, occasional and habitual of the influenced band to the non-influenced: thence in the proportion between attendant and absentee.

    For the effective influence of the undue influence of the Crown no actual declaration of will on the part of the King or of any Minister is necessary.

    Therefore no degree of probity on the part of the King is (as parliament is now composed) sufficient to prevent the mischiefs of undue influence.

    8 May 1811

    Part I

    Practical results

    Part II

    Of influence due and undue.

    Part III

    Mischief of undue Influence undue dependence.

    Part IV

    Efficient cause of undue dependence - matter of corruption Gratitude &c (including liberty[?] of Non-Attendance.)

    Part I Of Influence proper and undue

    Part .II. Of Parliamentary Dependence Independence and Corruption.

    Part .III. /II/ Of Corruption in the situation /case/ of Members of Parliament

    Part .IV. /III/ Of Corruption in the case of a Parliamentary Elector.

    {Part .V. Parliamentary Corruption considered in various points of view.}

    N.B. A large portion of Necessity in an abridged form be now engrafted into Influence.

    Part V. Systems of corruption and incorruption compared.

    Part VI. How to combat