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7 May 1811 Influence P.I
7 May 1811

Influence

P.I

Ch.2. J.B.s Propositions

§.1. J.B.s Propositions

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5. On and over the Members of the House of Commons separately taken and thence collectively it is right and useful and constitutional that the King by means of such of his political servants as have seats in that House the King should possess and exercise the influence of understanding over understanding: viz. that influence and the utmost influence which by the device /relation/ of the strongest and most efficient talents that are any where to be found it may be physically speaking, in his power to exercise.

6. On and over the Members of the House of Commons, neither collectively nor therefore separately, is it right or useful or constitutional that either the King or his political servants or any of them should exercise or possess the influence of will on or over will to any amount or in any degree whatever.

7. Accordingly in relation to all such persons all /every such person of any/ such influence have any time[?] any existence, all such influence, whether it be in an encreasing, stationary, or diminishing state, ought not only /merely/ to be diminished, but absolutely to be defalcated: viz. in so far as it is by any means capable of being defalcated, saving such part of any as can not be defalcated consistently with the preservation of that influence of will on and over will which to the purpose of the business of the administrative department is {and ought to be} possessed and exercised by him on and over the several Members of the /that/ administrative department, as above.
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    8. To the purpose of the King’s exercising by and through his political servants members of the administrative department over the Members of the House of Commons the influence of understanding over understanding what is necessary is - that they should respectively possess and exercise is the right of sitting and speaking in that assembly: what to that same purpose is not /neither/ necessary nor in any way conducive is - that they or any of them should exercise or possess a right of voting in that assembly.

    9. In respect of the power as well of patronage as of management which the King has and ought to have in relation to themselves as well as other persons connected with them by the various ties of interest and sympathy, so long as /if so it be that/ they have votes, it can not but be that the King by his will /to the purpose of commanding and determining those votes/ should possess and exercise over their respective wills that influence which if proposition the 6 th be true he ought not to exercise.
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    1. Influence, we have understood, is neither more nor less than a modification of power: power considered as exercising itself by comparatively gentle and unconspicuous in contradistinction to harsh and conspicuous means.

    2. In influence as in power at large, there is nothing either to commend or to censure any further /a just number either for commendation /approbation/ or for censure /disapprobation// than as it is determined {on and over whom it is exercised by whom it is exercised}, {with what effect exercised,} and to what end exercised}, on or over whom exercised, by whom exercised.

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    {For preventing the exercise of that portion of the mass of influence}

    25 Of that portion of the influence which is being composed of the influence on and over will, is exercised by the Crown i.e. by the King or by any Minister on and over the Member /any Member/ of the House of Commons /either House of Parliament/ or any one of them the exercise is not in so far as exercised on them in such their capacity /character/ in any instance salutary: in the same case it is not, in so far as it is efficient, other than /anti-constitutional, as well as/ pernicious.

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