13 Jan y 1817

Necessity Cat

1 Theory

§.4. Probity how securable

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Q. 3. You mean in other words /the word which one finds in the current phrases/ that in the instance of each of them it shall be his interest to do his duty or his interest shall coincide with his duty.

A. Yes: take these phrases, either or both of them as you please.

Q. 4. Good: but under every form of government does not every man’s interest /the interest of every member/ coincide with his duty: or to speak more fully and clearly in the instance of every member of the governing body every possessor of the supreme power or a portion of it does not the line of conduct prescribed /pointed/ to him by his interest coincide with the line of conduct prescribed to him by his official duty? Exists there any such official person /office-bearer/ who possesses not a share in the universal interest - a share as great as any that can be possessed by any other member of the community? If not, where are the elements of which in any state the universal interest is composed?

A. Yes doubtless: but then over and above /in addition/ to this /such/ his share the social, the universal the social interest, every man /the public/ has a self-regarding a personal a private interest of his own, which is distinct and separate and distinct from that universal interest, and that /since[?]/ his share in the universal interest, that it is liable continually liable to be adverse and opposite and adverse with relation, and so effectually and practically opposite, as to lead /engage/ him to /to prescribe to him and engage him to/ act in a course diametrically opposite to that which is or would be prescribed to him by his duty - i.e. by his share in the universal interest: a course which taking for his proper course that which is prescribed to him by his duty, and which he is […?] to act in by his share in the universal interest, may well be termed a sinister one /course/: and the interest which noses[?] him on in it, a sinister interest.
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    Q 1 - Recapitulation - < > question - By what arrangements < > of the form of government can appropriate probity on the part of the supreme rulers be most effectually secured -

    A. Short answer: such by means of which each such ruler shall find it his interest to entertain the destrosetion[?] in question, and constantly to act up to it -

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    Q 2: i e. that in the current phrases it shou’d be his interest should in each coincide with his duty -

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    Q.3. But under every form of government are the instances of every possessor of supreme power does not interest coincide with duty? - i.e the line of conduct presented by interest coincide with d o. prescribed by duty? Exists there that office bearer who possesses not a share in the universal interest? as great a share as any other can possess? -

    A. No. But in addition to that fractional interest every member of the community rulers included has an integral interest, viz. a purely personal interest which being distinct from his share in the universal interest is liable to be opposite to it

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    Q 4 - This 1 undurable it therefore is that he should never deviate, will any such sinister cource. But then he will not deviate, unless and in so far as his such his private compared with public interest is the strongest: will he? -

    A. No - but mostly so it will be. The seperate interest is an integer: his share in the universal interest is but a < > fraction, as one to a number of millions. This sinister interest of his acts in the most < > his public in a highly diluted state

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    Ans. In this respect, with no other difference than what depends on the number of the portions, this public is on the footing of a private partnership. Bating the tutelary force of the interest < > political or legal, the /by the/ popular or moral, and the religious sanctions, if by a conduct by which the value of his share as the partnership would be diminished one hundred pound a partner can gain two hundred so he will do -

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    Q 5 - You mean that conduct will be determined by the stronger interest viz - when thereby general happiness will not only not be encreased but diminished.

    A. Yes - that in the < > of the powers of government < > to be the supposition acted upon say, as there may be so each had several interests by the stronger body of interest -

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    Q 7 - Teach you then that for example on every occasion in which by sacrificing one pound, a man may gain two he will make the sacrifice?

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    Q. 8. What always notwithstanding the known abundances of of imprudences? -

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    Q. 17. Well then: it seems to me that I can not but admitt that taking the word duty in the sense agreed on - no form of government is so good as it ought to be and might be in which any arrangement is omitted that promises to secure the coincidence between personal interest and duty. But now /still/ comes the grand question by what means can this coincidence most surely be effected?

    A. This /One thing/ you will find no difficulty in admitting: viz. that if on the other side they have /it has/ nothing to oppose them /it/, his share in the universal interest will in so far as the conception entertained by him in relation to it is correct be on each occasion sufficient to secure the direction his conduct in that line which leads to the advancement of that universal interest: for producing this desirable /the effect desired/ this force, how small so ever it be will so long as it finds not on the other side any thing stronger, much /still/ more surely if it finds not on the other side any force at all to oppose it, be sufficient. But so long as it acts in this direction, be the government what it may, in so far as depends upon disposition, i.e. will, which is all that is at present in question, it has for its support by the supposition, the force of social sympathy in the shape of public spirit or say in the shape of patriotism: and, saving casual and comparatively rare exceptions, it may further count /reckon/ upon having for the further support that of the two military sanctions the moral or popular, or moral, and the religious sanction abovementioned: acting in the course /direction/ prescribed to him, as far as appears to him, by a regard for his own share in the universal interest, and thereby and therewith by his sympathy for that same universal interest, he will be acting in the direction prescribed to him by the value he sets on the action and goodwill of the public as towards him and by the /whatsoever/ eventual hope it may happen to him to entertain of the favour or fear of the displeasure of the Almighty.