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14 Jan y 1817
Necessity Cat
1 Theory
4. Probity how securable
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Q. 21. Good, for the interest of the greatest number. But as to the universal interest I do not see at this moment how by a democracy, even supposing all the other elements perfect it can be to effectually provided for: for when you have encreased the number of the sharers in the power in question all they have become the majority of the whole number of of the members of the community, still in so far as depends upon their endeavours they will in your view of the matter sacrifice to their practical interest the interest of the remaining members {of the community} would they not?
A. If it were so better the interest of the minority should be sacrificed to the interest of the majority than the interest of the majority to that of the minority. It is no objection against an arrangement of any kind to say that it is unable to effect what in the nature of things is impossible.
But examine into the case a little more clearly and you will find, that when the sharers are in such numbers , howsoever it may happen that by the votes on this or that occasion differences[?] of opinion in regard to interest are manifested, interests are in the main the same: that so clearly connected and interwoven are all interests that as to all great points all large /external/ portions of the field of legislation, the interests of the majority can not be provided for /advanced/ but the interests of the rest are advanced at the same time.
Ex. gr. exemption from arbitrary government[?] excessive taxation denial of justice &c.
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Title: [14 Jan y 1817 Necessity Cat]Description: 14 Jan y 1817 Necessity Cat 1 Theory §.4. Probity how securable 16 Q. < > This seems pretty well out of dispute. But now then how is it that matters can /shall/ be so ordered as that in the situation in question that is /viz/ that of a person possessor[?] of a part in the whole of the supreme power in a state this cluster[?] this combination of Military interests shall find nothing or at least nothing effectual to oppose it? A. That which it is plainly /in his own view /conception/ of the matter/ out of a man’s power to effect, he will have no interest in endeavouring to effect. In any endeavour he may be disposed to use for the advancement of his own personal interest at the expence of the universal interest a man in whose hands the whole of the supreme power is lodged in a word an absolute Monarch in a word will find nothing to oppose him. At whatsoever expence to the rest /all the other members /of the commu {-nity he may shut the door of his dwelling /habitation/ /mind/ against the apprehensions of all imaginable sources /instruments/ of pain and meanness[?] in every shape he may crowd into it the assurances of all imaginable instruments of pleasure and security.} /-nity he may crowd together within his own grasp the whole stock of the instruments of felicity and security./ Place /Lodge/ the power in the hands of Instead of one person place the power in the hands of two, each in his endeavours to engross to himself the instruments of felicity will, so long as the arrangement lasts, find an opponent in the other: if in this state of things they continue each of them in possession in his share in the supreme power each will have found himself under the necessity of letting[?] on the other for an equal share of the good things of this world in all their other shapes. Keep on thus adding one such line to the number of sharers in that supreme power at every stop you will be adding one to the number of those whose partial interest is thus advanced at the expence of the universal interest that is of the remainder of the universal interest, till at last you will find that the interest which was the partial interest is become itself the universal interest.
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Title: [1818 Dec. r 9 Parl Principles]Description: 1818 Dec. r 9 Parl Principles Beginning §.1. Misrule 20 Anti Reformist. But of these same Electors suppose a majority each having a separate personal interest of his own distinct from and opposite to the interests of the minority to confederate together and concurr in giving to the aggregate sinister interest thus composed an advantage such as that the interest of some one or more or even of all together of the interests of the minority is sacrificed by it? Reformist. If by the Electors of no more than one Representative – if by the majority of this body of Electors and no other, the confederacy is entered into it is a confederacy without an object: for supposing the supposed unapt and mischievously /treacherously/ disposed Representative chosen, still towards the supposed desired sacrifice still if this be all nothing can /will/ be done. Suppose seats in any number thus mischievously /unaptly/ filled still if that number be not so great as a majority nothing will be done. Unless therefore the number of seats thus filled be a majority of the whole number of seats no effect can in this way be produced. But if the number of seats thus filled does amount to a majority of the whole number of seats, then is the interest thus supported not any interest opposite to the interest of the majority of all the members of the community, but that very interest itself.
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