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Disfranchising
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§.5. Evil 4. Encreasing Country Members
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Anti Reformist And is /exists/ there any other class of men in whose instance you expect to find /in/ any larger dose of your appropriate aptitude, you who not expect to find it any where
Reformist As to what concerns appropriate probity under the present state of the Representative, unless it be by mere accident, I do not expect to find it any where, except in the seats filled by the Westminster Election District and those others if any such there be, in which the number of votes is so great as to afford to the /be capable at least of affording to the aggregate virtue[?] of/ voters adequate protection against the assaults of seductive and sinister influence in both its opposite shapes.
But as to appropriate intellectual aptitude, there exists not as it seems to me any other class of men in whose instance so bad a promise is afforded of it, as in the instance of this class.
Anti-Reformist But if you have not said already I am /you are/ here prepared to say that without appropriate probity, appropriate intellectual aptitude had better be absent than present, insomuch as it enables a man but so much the better to give effect to those sinister wishes designs and endeavours which in proportion to his deficiency in the article of appropriate probity he can not but harbour /his breast can not but be the seat and the source/.
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Title: [1 June 1819 Disfranchising]Description: 1 June 1819 Disfranchising Disfranchising §.5. Evil 4. Multiplying Country Members 3 §.5. Evil 4. Multiplying Country Members 17 or 1 Anti Reformist. In any other class any larger dose of aptitude? 18 or 2. Reformist. 1. As to probity, no; unless by mere accident, except in the seats filled by Westminster and those other Election Districts, if any, where by multitude of votes and comparative independence Electors probity is efficiently protected against seductive influence in both shapes. 19 or 3. 2. As to intellectual aptitude, no class that affords so bad a promise (3. See above.) 20 or 4. Anti reformist. Said by you already, without appropriate probity, d o. intellectual aptitude is better absent than present; by it the more efficient aid being given to the improbity opposite to appropriate probity. §.5. Evil 4. Multiplying Country Members 21 or 5. Reformist, yes; but here comes two modifications 1. In all other classes put together no such strong body of sinister interest as in this: viz – 1 Peerage: which to its own House adds the seats to which it nominates in Common’s House – (3. Quote the number.) 22 or 6. 2. All Landholders whose subsistence is chiefly derived from rent of land. 23 or 7. All constantly on their knees to Monarch for more money, powers and factitious dignity. 24 or 8. To all these are many common bonds and unity of interest: viz – 1. Meetings in Parliam t. House and club Houses &c. 2. Documents such as County Histories, Maps, &c. 3. Justice of Peace Sessions General and Petty. 25 or 9. Thence mutual encouragement and facility for joining and giving strength and extension to oppression for crushing all reformists who seek in one another the means of self defence. §.5.4. Evil 4. Multiplying Country Members 26 or 10. For an example of the fruit of this common sinister interest, take the facility of | | secured by them to one another under favour of Judge made law. 27 or 11. Not possible that by shopkeepers &c. any judgment should be formed of customer’s ability except from his visible possessions and expenditure: with rank where he has any. 28 or 12. Higher-order men run in debt with them in all ways – on his death, his land, with younger son’s fortunes on it goes to his family free from all such debt. To the unconsumed remnants of his moveables these creditors have to go to Law with, and with their Lawyers to gain undue advantage over one another. 29 or 13. Established was this arrangement not by Parliament but by Lawyers for their own benefit, and that of the Aristocracy of which they are Members and in which they saw the chief part of their
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Title: [1819 May 18 C Disfranchising]Description: 1819 May 18 C Disfranchising Disfranchising §.5. Evil 4. Multiplying Country Members 17 13 9 {4} they must expect to be ript[?] open if they talk as they do Anti-Reformist – And if you had the power, would it then be your wish and your endeavour to exclude Country Gentlemen /the class of those in question/ from the House? Reformist Not more than it would be yours. In regard to men of that class, as in regard to men of all classes my wish is {and my endeavour would be so to order matters} that finding themselves under an inability to sacrifice the universal interest to their personal and other partial interests, they should confine their endeavours to the advancement of that interest of theirs which consists in each mans share in the universal interest. So much as to probity: and that, finding himself by the merits of those whose studies and occupations had been directed to the qualifying themselves for the due /their intellectual faculties for the apt/ discharge of the duties of their situation excluded from that share of power which his property might otherwise have enabled him to attain the ignorant and inapt father should by appropriate /an apt/ course of instruction /education/ to make provision for stocking with appropriate and useful matter the vacuities which experience had rendered him sensible of in his own mind. So much for intellectual aptitude. In a word the worst that /all that/ I wish is – leaving the class itself in possession of that share of power which by the mere influence of understanding on understanding would without any of that sinister influence which is exercised by will on will, adhere /cleave[?]/ to it so long as the property itself adhered to it – in this same class of men to individuals uniting the possessing appropriate aptitude in no shape to substitute other or even the same individuals possessing that same appropriate aptitude in every shape. General propositions have, as such, their exceptions. In this case, whoever chooses to make himself an exception, is so.
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Title: [1819 Jan. y 5 Parl Reform Bill]Description: 1819 Jan. y 5 Parl Reform Bill Dialogue Preliminary View Evils & Remedies Remedies Miselection Appropriate aptitude 1 54 {35} Anti-Reformist. After all, there is something so paradoxical in these ideas /equations of yours/, I know not how to bring myself to accede to them. Take them in your own language. Appropriate Intellectual aptitude is one of the qualifications you think {to secure to the person in question} /to make sure of/ and for doing so you let in /open the door/ without exception the most ignorant of the people. Appropriate probity is another of those same qualifications: and to make sure of it you let /open the door/ the most indigent – the most profligate – the most untrustworthy in every respect. Reformist. While you thus keep /Keeping/ to generals, there is not there can not be a plan of any kind so good, but plausible objections against it may be raised against it. Look closely /particularly/ into the matter /case/, the objections you will see amount to nothing: the words have no applicable /apposite/ ideas belonging to them. Under both heads you will find that the security I provide the security for appropriate aptitude is sufficient: on both points you will find it a better security than in the present /existing/ state of things you have at present. I say, state of things: for as to plan, plan you can not but be sensible, there is none. Never /Never/, let me beg of you – let slip out of your mouth[?] the word appropriate: it is not wisdom at large, it is not probity at large that is requisite either to the situation of Representatives or in the situation of Electors as in the situations of Representatives: in both situations it is only appropriate wisdom it is only appropriate probity. Instead of intellectual aptitude I use /say/ wisdom here as being the more common word.
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