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Title: [27 May 1819 Disfranchisements proposed]

Description: 27 May 1819

Disfranchisements proposed

Disfranchising

§.6.5. Evil. 5. Producing misplaced confidence

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§.6.5. Evil. 5. Producing misplaced confidence

or 1.

§.6.5. Evil. 5. Producing groundless confidence: imputing reformism to

anti-reformists.

or 2.

Object ascribed to this measure by its supporters raising reputation of Parliament.

or 3.

Reformist. How? by causing to be attributed to it what design?

or 4.

Anti reformist: Design to see 1. the state of the Representation receive a beneficial

change 2. to take measures accordingly.

or 5.

Reformist. Shown in Plan Cat, except under pressure as in Ireland A o. 1780, no such wish possible to Monarch, Lords or Commons. This not | | by

any one. No body acts contrary to its manifest particular

interest

or 6.

Anti Reformist

Theory this –

or 7.

Reformist: True: and so is the opposite to it

§.6.5. Evil. 5. Producing misplaced confidence.

or 8.

Reformist. Though theoretical my pretensions not the less incontrovertible: viz:

1. The measure is unfavourable to universal interest

2. favorable to particular d o.

By the measure in question are afforded

1. Practical proof of my theory:

2. Disproof of your.

or 9.

Wish and endeavour here of ruling few to propagate the opinion that

1. Ruling fews interest coincides compleatly with d o. of subject

many.

2 or[?] in the interest of any

will be sacrificed to it.

or 10.

Acting as they have they can not have had any design to make any change in the

representation beneficial to the Universal interest: or to any person that by the

change in question universal interest cou d be served

§.6.5. Evil 5. Producing misplaced confidence.

or 11.

Shewn above by this charge universal interest would be – not only not served but

disserved.

Whether by any supporters of it the opinion of its being serviceable to universal

interests reader judge.

or 12.

Remains to shew that from this change no design of any change beneficial to universal

interest can justly be inferred.

or 13.

All confidence placed in hands interested and able to abuse it is sure to be abused,

the more of such confidence the more evil. To support reputation is to encrease

confidence.

or 14.

Their design is by this to support reputation. But the higher their reputation the

greater the evil, as above –

or 15.

Anti Reformist – In all points think you there is this oppositeness of interests?

or 16.

Reformist: Not in all: but in so many, that oppositeness is the general rule,

coincidence the exception.

131-249.xml

Title: [1819 May 26 Disfranchising]

Description: 1819 May 26

Disfranchising

Disfranchising

§.6. 5. Producing misplaced confidence

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{Supposing him to regard himself as forced to say something, this would the anti-reformist say to theory.} /Anti-Reformist. Theory then nothing better:/ a theory about the constitution of the human nature.

Reformist. True: and /but/ if you deny it, it is also upon theory that you deny it. Man is not governed by interest: this is your theory: man is governed by interest: this is mine.

Well call this theory if you please. But what I say is – 1 The measure in question is opposite /pernicious/ /unfavourable/ /prejudicial/ to the universal interest. 2 It is conducive /favourable/ to the particular interest of those by whom it has been introduced and is supported. In /By/ this measure there is furnished a practical proof of this my theory; a practical disproof of your’s

In this state of things on the occasion of the measures in question the object of the ruling few /powers that be/ is to propagate and keep up either[?] in the minds of the subject many one or other of two opinions: 1. that the interest of the ruling few is in all points the same with that of the subject many: or 2. that if there exists a /any/ real incompatibility, in so much that let what will be done, a sacrifice of the one interest must, to a greater or less amount /to the amount /extent/ of the incompatibility/ be made of the one interest to the other, it is their own particular interest that the ruling few are disposed and determined to sacrifice.

131-251.xml

Title: [1819 May 26 Disfranchising]

Description: 1819 May 26

Disfranchising

Disfranchising

§.6. 5. Producing groundless confidence

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It being my persuasion that, as to all points /on all occasions/ on which an opposition /incompatibility/ of interests as between the ruling few and the subject many, whatsoever confidence comes to be placed by the subject many in the designs of the ruling few can not but be /altogether/ misplaced /groundless/, and that the occasion here in question is of the number – and that in so far as any such confidence is thus placed it will be sure to be abused, it is of course my /part of this/ persuasion that by every encrease in the amount of such confidence a proportionable evil a proportionable injury to the interest of the subject many will be produced. But to keep up or raise the reputation of the ruling few, powers howsoever composed and in appearance divided – of the whole or of any one of the three branches into which it is in form divided is of course in other words to keep up or encrease the confidence reposed in them by the subject many

☞ Too diffuse this, or superfluous[?], or[?] both[?].

That of the measure in question in the breasts of all those who give it their support one design is one wish and correspondent intention and endeavour is to keep up and raise the reputation of Parliament taken in the aggregate and of the Commons House more particularly and immediately is beyond all doubt. But, in so far as to that same reputation any additional elevation or any support, or security against depression is afforded it seems to me as above that a correspondent quantity of evil is produced.

This effect then instead of being as alledged a good effect {instead of belonging to the account of the good effects} is in my view of it an evil effect and is accordingly here set down to that side of the account added to the list of its bad effects.