1818 March 25 + C 1819 Nov. 9. Not now

Parl. Ref. Bill

Reasons

IV. Eligible – who

§ 2 Qualification no other

1. Foreigners

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In the constitution as it stands if a vote in one form receives correction it is by vote in another: aristocratical tyranny from fraud and insincerity

Note Difference between absolute and comparative majority how influenced

Number of the candidates

Unless a hint were put to the number of Candidates, for the sake of confusion and Non-Election thousands or neither might be proposed and offer themselves

Question 1. Why is no special qualification proposed to be required.

Answer Because any such principle of exclusion is needless and being needless is by reason of the complications involved in it, pernicious.

Question 2. Why needless?

Answer. Because there is not any the smallest probability /it is not presumable /probable// that any number of seats capable of affording the means of actual mischief would be filled by persons more palpably /mischievously/ unfit for the trust than many others whom no manifest principle of exclusion could exclude.

To take the strongest case suppose a foreigner chosen and that foreigner a subject in a state of actual hostility with our own state. What probability is there, that to the prejudice /exclusion/ of the whole number of their fellow countrymen in so much as a single Election District the majority of the Electors would under the here proposed Plan of Representation /Delegation/ concurr in the making of such a choice? Yet might a considerable number of men so circumstanced be chosen and being chosen sit and act, and yet no real ill consequence ensue.

As to betraying of secrets, the Commons House neither has nor can have any secrets.
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  • Title: [1818 March 25 Parl. Reform Bill]
    Description: 1818 March 25

    Parl. Reform Bill

    Heads proposed.

    I. Election Deposits

    1. Number

    2. Formation of

    + 2.

    II. Electors

    1. Who?

    + 2. Mode of previous ascertainment.

    III. Candidates

    1. Who.

    IV. Elections

    1. Time

    2. Freedom – securities for

    + 3. Mode of voting

    4. Mode of making known the result.

    V. Sessions regular

    1. Commencement

    2. Duration

    VI. Sessions incidental. viz. in case of dissolution

    II. Electors. 1 Who

    I Qualification 1. Antecedent residence in quo. 2. Reading 3. Writing

    II. Mode of ascertainment. 1. Churchwardens stamp Householders name in docs[?] of

    Voters residence. 2. Certifica certificate of reading. 3. Voters writing on the

    certificate. 4. Duplicate of certificate registered in time.

    Accidents and Abuses – how to obviate

    1. Election Districts – overloading of by ambulatory Electors: viz. to the diminution

    of the value of their one vote and those of fellow-Electors.

    Soldiers and Sailors how previously to ascertain in districts in which they shall be

    entitled to vote.

    {Ascertain previously who shall be bound to vote orally who may vote

    epistorately[?]}

    { Birthplace the place each man shall be entitled to vote

    for: not place of settlement.}

    {Of Those whose birthplaces can not be entertained, the votes to be distributed

    among those districts which have least populations.}

    {The reading and writing qualification a good preventative remedy here In the

    certificate of sufficiency state the place of residence if fixt by householdership:} {or in case of non-householdership the

    birth place, according to belief.}

    {Residence of father Mother Grandfather Grandmother Uncle Aunt Nephew or Niece,

    Grandson or Grandaughter, if the actual residence at the time for a month past may be

    taken for the place of residence, and save the need of recurrence to Birth places}

    {In every Election District Sub-Districts for taking the Votes all on the same day:

    object of this concerns[?] of the[?] members[?] preventing exclusion and disturbance

    by crowding Parishes the parish join or divide them, as occasion enters.

    Qualification certificate to be authenticated by the signatures of 6 or 12

    Housholders of the same district, hearing the man read, and seeing him write at the

    same time. Minister, Clerk Apothecary or Publican recommended to be and[?] might[?]

    be a […?] resident in the Parish […?] an adjoining Parish.}

    { Epistolary Votes not to be reckoned but in case the

    number is sufficient reverse the decision given by the Oral

    votes.}

    {Inequalities and exclusions producible by accident only, and not by any anxiously

    prevented.}

    Penal Securities for freedom of suffrage and genuineness of Election.

    Election Offences –

    1. Election tyranny: in 1. exaction of promises. 2. asking how the vote was given.

    2. Election servility – complicity with Election Tyranny

    3. Election forgery: viz. of Voter’s qualification signature

    4. Election imposture: false certificate of Qualification by reading

    5. Election personation or imposture by personation.

    Prefatoria.

    Maxime

    1. Inequalities resulting from mere accident, and not producible by design, not

    material.

    2. Inequalities producable by design, not material, if not rising to such an amount

    as to be capable of affecting the general result.

    Why the public functionaries appointed for furnishing or joining in the Certificate.

    Reasons

    1. Not to consume the time of such persons for the service of persons to whom as

    being no […?] to them they will not be willing to render such service

    2. Not to put it in the power of any particular person or persons, by negligence or

    refusal, to deprive the would-be voter of his right.

    Annuality

    Mem. m On use of it prevents Election collusion[?] and other

    lies[?]: viz. by the strictness[?] of the advantage conspires with the lasting[?]

    punishment[?] in the shape of appropriate infamy

    Splendor of the Crown.

    See Lansdowne and other in Lords of the 15 th Morn g Chron. April 16 th.

    Hodghkins Letter 6.

    March 4. “The Georgianum a free School for Noblemen exclusive which was established

    and endowed by Imperial Majesty.”

    Prefatoria.

    Ends to be aimed at

    1. Avoidance of needless complication

    2. Efficiency: avoidance of causes by which the system or any part of it may be

    prevented from coming into occasion

    N.B. Every person whose concurrence is rendered or suffered to be necessary to the

    plan taking effect in the whole or any part has it in his power to prevent it from

    taking effect: to prevent it, viz. by non concurrence.

    A great cause of implication[?] in the entrance of imaginary[?] dangers /ideas/.

    From Population Returns 1811

    Great Britain Persons including Army &c 12,596,803

    – Houses inhabited 2,544,215

    – – building 18,548

    – – uninhabited 62,349.

    Army Navy Marines

    and

    Seamen on registered Vessels

    (deducted from the total 0,640,500.)

    Parishes including parts of d o England 10,674

    Scotland 921

    Persons England & Wales 10,488,000

    Scotland 1,865,000

    From p.509

    Great Britain Families

    1. Agricultural 895,998

    2 Miscellaneous 519,168

    1,415,166

    Trade, manufactures or handicraft 1,129,045.

    Encrease from the years 1811 and 1818 both exclusive viz. 6 years at 1/ | |

    th per year.

    Universal Suffrage

    Heads of Argument for

    1. As to intellectual aptitude present means of information[?] superior to those of

    our Ancestors who transmitted to us the existing Constitution

    2. Undangerousness of democratic ascendancy proved by d o in U.S.

    where there is no standing army to check sudden disorders. Apter men /Statesmen/ are

    chosen there in greater abundance than here.

    3. / 2/ So in the days of our Ancestors no such security against

    sudden disorders.

    4. / 3/ The existing means of appropriate information are

    susceptible of an indefinite encrease.

    Maty[?] Committee

    5. / 5/ Thus any deficiency in intellectual aptitude is

    susceptible of unbound and indefinitely encreasing supply.

    6. / 6/ On the other hand the want /deficiency/ of appropriate

    probity by reason of sinister interest in the ruling few opposite to that of the

    subject many, then the universal interest is sent in obstruction[?] to the aggregate

    of appropriate aptitude as is in its nature everlasting and unsurmountable.

    7. / 4/ No tendency has ever been shewn to the choice of violent

    and ignorant and low bred men for Members in any one instance: they might exist in

    considerable numbers and still without being productive of any ultimate practical and

    sensible evil mischief or inconvenience

    8. A greater proportion of members then is likely to be drawn even under Universal

    Suffrage from the unopulent classes is highly desirable. It presents on every

    occasion of supply measure the quantity of demand from their own habits: so also of

    the supply: hence the waste of public money on objects deduced for the pleasure of

    the few: and where relief is afforded, the superfluity of such relief.

    9. The instances if collected would prove that upon principle as well[?] in practice

    the interests of the many is invariably[?] sacrificed to that of the few and that by

    this means government is converted into a system of […?] and irresistible

    pillage.
  • Title: [1818 Nov r 25 + Parl. Reform Bill]
    Description: 1818 Nov r 25 +

    Parl. Reform Bill

    Reasons

    '.1. Seats and Districts?

    '.2. Electors Who

    Votes but one why?

    1

    1

    Question. 1. Under the present system, a man possessing a qualification in each one of a number of Election Districts, may deliver a vote in each be the number of them ever so great, deliver a vote in each, provided the times repectively appointed for the delivery of votes in these several districts, admitt of his so doing. On the here proposed plan, no man /person/ would have the faculty /it in his power/ to deliver a vote in any more than one Election District this faculty of delivering votes more than one would cease /have no place/. Why is it proposed to be thus made to cease?

    Answer. To exclude inequality. 1. In the eye of the legislator of the common Trustee and Guardian, the legislator, the interest of no one individuals shall[?] have claim to a greater degree of consideration /security/ than that of any other.

    2. If there were any one /such/ individuals /existed any such preferable claim/ no claim reason could be assigned why those by whom it is at present possessed should be of the number rather than any others that could be named.

    If persons and their interest being neglected, votes were allotted to objects belonging to the class of things, such for example as the possession of such or such a portion of the earth's surface - suppose a portion of two acres, in such case, two men having each of them a [...?] of property exactly the same in extent and even in value, might possess and deliver the one of them thirty times as many votes or more as the other. But for no such advantage /inequality/ can any reason be assigned.
  • Title: [+ A 1819 Sept. 27 §.3. Art 1 Parl]
    Description: + A 1819 Sept. 27 §.3. Art 1

    Parl. Reform Bill

    Reasons

    §.3. Eligible who

    Art. 1. Comparative majority

    (1) (Comparative majority.) Question 1. Why render a comparative majority sufficient instead of requiring an absolute majority.

    Reasons.

    1. Adherence to usage: avoidance of the inconveniences of change.

    2. Avoidance of complication; thence of delay, vexation and expence, and Non-Election.

    A comparative majority is, where some one proposed Member has more votes in his favour than any one other has.

    An absolute majority is where some one proposed Member has more votes in his favour than all the others put together have.

    Where an absolute majority is made necessary, the process of polling is repeated untill in favour of some one of the Candidates this species of majority is declared.

    For the present, to exhibit the particular mode of carrying it on is not necessary. No length of time, how considerable so ever, can be assigned, at the expiration of which it will to a certainty have been consummated. The time will be capable of being made the greater, the greater the number of Proposed Members: and thus, in the view of delaying or even preventing the Election, Proposed Candidates might with or without concert be set up. See above Note b §.1. Art. 4.