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1821 Oct. 27 To Toreno 3 o
1821 Oct. 27

To Toreno

3 o

Letter VII Religion

2

In the case of the priestly order I mean always the beneficed and especially the richly beneficed part of it, the great danger is produced by their immoveability for its cause. In the Military, the naval, the Financial, the Diplomatic Establishment the functionaries being removable by the Ministers, and the Ministers by the King; and the King though not removable except in extreme cases being in various ways subject in a certain way only[?]to the Cortes the Members of which are appointed, and at short intervals by the simple process of unreelection removable by the subject many, hence it is that for any branch of duty towards the subject many, a remedy more or less immediate and effectual has place. But the Ecclesiastical orders are not removable but by one another: nor by one another, without a tedious process of which the office[?] is essentially precarious.

In case of provable and proved delinquency, by offences of a certain description which remain to be described they may indeed be made, and by the proposed Code are proposed to be made, and probably /I suppose/ will be made removable upon conviction at the end of a judicial process. But in your country Sir forgive me the remark it is a continually necessary one, judicial processes do not easily ever come[?] as[?] easily come to an end Nor does it seem to me that after any this has been done which it is in the power of words to do towards giving such a of opposition made to government by discourse, in which religious language is employed mischievous discourse must /will/ to such an extent left unpunishable that from the quality of mischief flowing from this source no sensible defalcation will have been effected.
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    Here there is a class of persons /class of functionaries/ who under your Constitutional Code possess in effect the faculty of producing mischief to the subject many to any amount[?] with impunity

    To /Along with/ this class exists /it has placed/ another which it has put in possession of the same faculty. I mean the lawyer class, the Members of the Judicial Establishment

    In the case of this class of functionaries, a counter irremovability has place. To the King the faculty of removing them is not allowed No nor yet to the to the King and Council of State without conviction at the end of a judicial process In the […?] /the eyes/ of the Constitutional Code no small security for you between[?] was perhaps thought to have been provided. For the members of that Establishment, yes. But for the subject many no security: instead of security, artificial /factitious/ danger.

    Here then to the alliance offensive and defensive against the interest of the subject many is is added another party. And thus you have in opposition to the interest of the subject many an alliance triple or tripartite. Of[?] parties three sets of functionaries all /each/ of them having an interest opposite to that of the people: no one of them, immediately or through any process how circuitous[?] so ever through any chain of operations how lengthy so ever removable by the people

    Accordingly should any such accident ever happen to you as to have for your Monarch /King/ a person by whom his own particular interest or the interest of his own more particular corrulers comes to be preferred to the interest of the unknown and distant subject many, here are two bodies of men whose conduct in the exercise of their respective functions who by means of the good they placed at his disposal are placed at his disposal likewise.

    Such then is your less immediate danger: and while[?] to my eyes it be not a severe one, you are in a condition, Sir, to judge. Happily the mischief threatened by it seems not to be at the same time so great and so immediate as that which is threatened by the danger first mentioned. The consideration of it may wait to another opportunity.
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