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1821 April 1 Rid Yourselves
1821 April 1

Rid Yourselves

Ultramarian Deputn none

Think too of the expence at which a ticket in this lottery would have to be purchased. To any one of the four thousand Frenchmen (the number I have seen mentioned at present as settled in Madrid the price might not perhaps be excessive. But the less the expence the greater would be the demand for /upon/ the available time, that demand which consistently with the unaccountability establishing Article (Art. \ZS\) it would be impossible to stop, while a moment of time remained during which it might be presented.

As to the expence in Ultramaria on the head of a foreigner settled at the time in Chile Peru or New mexico, suppose the ambition of acquiring the distinction to spring up.- Think of the expence that would /might/ be necessitated by the proof of presenting evidence - appropriate and adequate evidence of the matters of fact of which [...?] alledged qualification were composed.

The Petition, from whatsoever quarter of the world presented the facts alledged in such Petition, in what manner /which of two ways/ would the Cortes pronounnce its decision? with evidence in support of the several alledged matters of fact, or without any such evidence? If without evidence, the effect intended from all the complex system of qualifications positive and negative would fall to the ground: of all its effects the most important would be the system of falshood and habit of falshood /insincerity/ to which it would give birth, the allegation would be - as the pleasure is - never matter of force: that is /in other words/ the privilege /distinction/ would be given /granted/ to every one who would utter a string of lies for the practice of it.

But if not without adequate evidence - especially if like the claim to Senateship the claim in Spain to Citizenship were exposed to litiscontestation, think once more my friends of the demand presented from the same action to your rulers for their official time.
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    how it is that the possessors of goods should not rather have destroyed than

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