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1821 April 1. Rid yourselves.
1821 April 1.

Rid yourselves.

Ultramarian deputat none

Male & female together, after deducting the number produced by all the disqualifications created by all those qualifications which we have seen with their exceptions, where shall we find the several groups of 70,000, by each of which a deputy to the Cortes may be sent? To this question an answer is furnished by Art. 30. For the population of the European dominions says that article, shall serve for the computation of the population, the latest census (viz) "that of the year 1797 until a new one shall have been capable of being taken."

Thus far there is no difficulty, comparatively speaking not much difficulty: for of that date & for the European dominions a census is in existence.

But now comes Ultramaria and there shall be formed continues the article a correspondent census for the computation of the population of the Ultramarian dominions, employing in the mean time, or as to these parts, the most authentic censuses among those which have been latest formed.

Now then of all those /the/ several Ultramarian Provinces in number, how many are there in each of which a census is at present in existence? I should not be much surprised if not a single one can be found. If anysuch there be the list of them must have been known in the office of the Minister of the Colonies & was known & might & ought to have been known - if not, to those who framed the Constitution of 1812 to those who adopted & renewed it of 1820.

What I should not be surprised to find is - that of those Ultramarian Provinces there is not so much as one in which any such census is at present in existence: what I sh d be much surprised if I did not find is - that in some one or more of them no such census is in existence. Let there be any one such, in this case for no part of such province can any such deputation be sent.
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