18 June 1802 8 N. S. Wales

Turning to Captain Collins' journal, I see traces of a variety of laws that at different times have been markd by the Governor: by the Governor alone, as it should seem, since on these occasions nobody else is ever mentioned. Expedient, all of these laws were — be it so. I make no question

of it: the question would be nothing to the purpose. Illegal

not all of them in toto: but at any rate many

of them either in toto or in part. Legal, in so far

as the Governor being steward of the public property under

authority of the crown — acted in that character, and the

by any regulation of his took upon himself to dispose of

this or that or T other article. or set of articles. Legal in so far as the Governor — being under the act, or representing

the master of these bondsmen, took upon him by any regulations of his, the disposal of their conduct or their time: supposing always that the powers created by a former act in this behalf were

competent to the purpose of conveying such authority to

the Governor, and properly pursued.

But over the either the persons or

in property of any

individual other than the Bondsmen during bondage — over either person or property of any such individual —

officer of the crown — subordinate agent

free settler — even quondam Bondsman, where once

emancipated, where was — where is the authority of the Governor? I mean for the purpose of issuing any

orders call them by any name — orders, directions. regulations

— laws —

no matter for the name so they have

were meant

to have binding power — I say there is no such binding power

in the hands of the Governor, or in any other hands. Those

who
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  • Title: [26 June 1802 12 N. S. Wales 6 The]
    Description: 26 June 1802 12 N. S. Wales 6

    The persons over whom the authority in a power of a legislative

    nature appears to have been exercised — and exercised by the

    Governor alone sole authority of the Governor may be distinguished

    into classes.

    7 1.5 Convicts still in a state of legal Bondage — their

    respective terms of transportation being unexpired.

    6 2.6 Wives and Children of Convicts in a state of Bondage

    7 3.7 Officers and Privates

    Expirees Convicts after the expiration

    of their respective terms.. their Wives and Children. Thus if [+]

    [+] if these condition in

    point of fact had been really corresponded exactly with what it ought

    to have been in point of law, might have been termed emancipated

    Bondsmen: But as that does not appear to have been the

    case the appellation would be productive of misconception and is

    therefore can not be employd

    unfit for use.

    8 4.8 Independent Free Settlers: including Officers and privates in

    both branches of the Kings military service and Officers

    in the Civil branch of the Kings service, establishing

    themselves after discharge from their respective situations.

    1 5 1 Officers and privates of the military class in the land services

    2 6.2 Officers and privates of the military class in the Sea service.

    The power of legislation as to

    these will stand on a different footing, according as they are considered

    as remaining on Ship board or as having come on shore.

    3 7.3 Commanders and crews of British Vessels in private

    service. Same distinction as between the several periods of their remaining

    on ship-board, or being

    on shore.

    4. 8.4 Commanders and Crews of Foreign Vessels — Same distinction as

    between Ship board and land.

    Among these eight descriptions the 2 d, 3 d and 4 th thru last may

    be stated as those over whom

    neither the Governor nor

    any body else possessed any authority by law: so that all Orders

    addressed to them by any body in any political

    capacity and particularly by the Governor alone, even ipso

    facto void: is also, under a certain exception all

    orders addressed to persons in general or whereby any power was undertaken

    to be exercised over persons in general were void, so far as

    concerns persons not subjected to the power of the Governor

    by trial

    law belonging to not any the of these three classes.
  • Title: [1. Legislative power. none]
    Description: 1.

    Legislative power. none

    created.

    2.

    Cause. Two powers

    were meant to be exercised.

    neither of them

    fit to be named -

    1. Power of amending

    all the transportation

    laws

    3.

    2. Power of legislation

    in a single hand.

    4.

    Pitt was then upon

    his good behaviour

    having lately stood

    his ground against

    the House of Commons

    upon Constitutional

    grounds -

    5

    There was a rage

    for colonizing somewhere

    - this furnished

    a pretence for the

    expence

    6

    To create the necessary

    legislative power the

    only way was to

    create the necessity

    for it by

    7.

    As by the first Pitt

    Lord Camden had been

    done by negligence.

    8

    Evil consequences

    1 st Unconstitutional

    example

    2. Insecurity of the

    Colony.

    9.

    The seditionists if at

    any time they should

    have lawyers among

    them may subvert

    the government without

    incurring any

    legal penalty.

    10

    Regulations

    1 st what legal

    11

    2. what illegal.

    12.

    Cases put of illegal

    regulations for which

    in point of utility

    there may be a

    demand.

    13.

    Capt n Collins not

    considering this

    want of power to

    make regulations

    speaks with surprize

    of the spirit

    of careless independance

    among

    the emancipated

    bondsmen.

    1

    Though the design was

    to prevent the return of

    Convicts, no plan was

    formed for the execution

    of it - neither

    at the outset, nor for years. p.18

    2

    A just one would

    have provided for

    their return of emancipees

    and made it

    as easy as under

    the old system. p.19

    3.

    An unjust one would

    have taken measures

    against the return

    of emancipees from

    the first.

    4

    At first they had

    no plan for prevention

    of the return either

    of emancipees or

    non-emancipees.

    5.

    When they had any

    it was directed as

    much against the

    one as the other.

    6

    and this the legitimate

    object of the establishment

    or not their

    conduct is equally

    indefensible.

    7.

    When they put emancipated

    bondsmen

    under this

    illegal restraint

    they put all freemen

    under the same

    restraint.

    9

    It appears in the

    same document authority (Collins)

    that Convicts who had

    no more than 3 year

    remaining was sent

    out in the design

    of their never returning.

    p.26.

    10

    It was with the

    Penitentiary Act

    of 1799 before them

    the Act so anxious

    to distinguish between

    degrees of punishment

    that they thus confound

    them.

    Though this gives them

    the power (as well as

    1704) they avoided

    it.

    8

    Effect of this event of

    plan

    1. While as yet there was no

    plan formed for preventing

    the return of

    non-expirees, expences

    were provided, by the

    neglect, not accidental

    or wilful, if not speeding

    out the process evidencing

    the lengths of the terms. n.25

    1

    On what ground rests

    the Governor's power over

    the Convicts?

    2.

    Under the Acts the

    transportation must

    be by contract and the

    convict is transferred

    to the use of the

    contractor and his

    Assignees

    3.

    Under this provision

    there is nothing to

    hinder the Contractor

    from assigning the

    Convict to his (the

    convicts') use) unless in

    the Contract he be

    restricted to assign

    him to the Governor.

    4.

    Though a provision to

    this effect should be

    in one Contract yet

    it may be omitted

    in any other.

    5.

    As the transportation

    cannot be performed

    without the intervention

    of a Contract, how can

    it be performed in

    a King's ship .gr.

    the Glatton? not without

    a fiction.

    6.

    In the case of a

    Convict, pardoned on

    condition of transportation

    for life, power is given

    to the Crown to allow

    him to transport

    himself.

    7.

    By this means the

    bondage is pardoned

    without speaking of it.

    8

    Origin of this clause

    unclergyable felonies

    in some instances

    gentlemen's offences.

    9.

    This power not being

    given in the case

    of a clergyable offence

    hence the greater

    criminal has an

    indulgence refused

    to the less By law

    clergyable felons may

    be permitted to buy

    off the bondage (as

    above) if the Crown

    does not oppose it:

    although not the transportation.

    10

    But in the transportation

    to New

    South Wales they

    can not now do

    either.

    11.

    The obscurity and

    uncertainty of the

    fate of the Convicts

    in these important

    particulars under

    such legislation and

    management is a

    sufficient proof of

    its being blameable.

    about

    claiming from trust

    management to contract

    management in the

    case of the Parliamentary

    House.

    Mala fides

    In the case of Cold

    Back Fields prison.

    Parliament orders and

    enquiry and Mr

    Pitt has makes no objection

    to it. Will he ever

    move for the enquiry

    of these abuses &

    if there were any he

    was not the author.
  • Title: [23 July 1802 N. S. Wales 6 "the laws]
    Description: 23 July 1802 N. S. Wales 6

    "the laws of the Infidel are abrogated .... But if a King hath a kingdom by

    title of descent, then, seeing by "the laws of that

    kingdom he doth inherit the kingdom,

    "he cannot change those laws of himself without consent "of

    Parliament.'

    In all this which together with about 50 folio pages of such matter is the

    gratuitous effusion of the learning and eloquence of the reporting Judge,

    there is no more has no more in it of law of binding law capable

    of standing, 4 are but dicta, not binding like Clarks case

    against any in case of repugnancy

    1 or either against any single decision,

    or acknowledged constitutional principle, than there is in the

    torts out of Virgil and Aristotle and every body

    in that are mixed up with it. 5 If binding, so much the

    better —

    negates the right in all but conquered Colonies

    I give this This observation I give not as a position in the

    establishment of which I

    have my interest. — but on the contrary as an

    admission: an an acknowledgment

    concession of which the antipathy I feel for every thing that

    savors of [jargon and fraud and] imposition is the cause. For if it were

    all clear law, nothing could be more favorable short of a

    opinion on the very point to my opinion nothing more fatal to the

    opinion of any one should

    M r Pitt, supposing

    have really to fancy himself capable of maintaining saying any

    thing in defence of the right of the

    to his assumed in the name of the Crown to legislate in New South

    Wales.] In that only one of Lord Cokes two cases, with which

    in point of fact the case of New South Wales agrees has

    any agreement is not the very opposite

    in point of fact, the King can not " change" " laws" — Lord Coke expressly assures

    us he can not do any thing in the way of legislation, " without consent of Parliament." The proposition

    is in the form of it one indefinite and, (if a

    King hath a kingdom) which as such is

    equivalent to a

    universal