130_180.xml

Title: [[Damaged MS] 1809 [Damaged MS] Reform]

Description: [Damaged MS] 1809

[Damaged MS] Reform

+ '.1

Ch.6. Parl Corrupt Members

II. Corrupt interest - Corrupt individ

'. Mischief to public

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1

'.6. II. Corruption continued - Corruptor an individual, patron of the seat - 6. Mischief to the public

When from a hand which (no matter how) has a seat in the house of Commons at command, that hand not being in a state of dependence under the Crown a man is placed /finds himself seated/ in that seat, in this case is there any thing of corrupt dependence or corruption? and if so /either/ (mischief being supposed a necessary consequence /concomitant/ of parliamentary corruption) is the quantity of mischief then[?] produced to the public greater or less than the quantity of mischief attached to the corrupt dependence of a Member on the King or a Minister /through a Ministry/ in possession or expectancy, as above?

To these questions before any answer can be returned some further distinctions will be requisite.

The Member thus seated, does he pay a price for the appointment /this benefit/, or does he receive it without price?

If without price, is the connection between this incumbent and his patron such as to place him /his conduct in this his office/ in a state of strict dependence on the patron, or in only that loose kind of dependence which as above may happen to be considered as constituted by the sense or obligation of Gratitude? (a)

Note ( )

( ) If paying a price that price be such as is understood to be to a certain amount inferior to the market price, this is a compound case, and in so far as gratitude operates /is considered/ as a bond of dependence, he continues in a sort of dependence under the patron in a sort of dependence, the degree of which is determined by the amount of the abatement on the correct price.

This sort of arrangement is a very common one. The parties between whom it takes place are usually parties who understand one another to stand /be stationed/ in the war of politics on the same side.

JB_127_141.xml

Title: [25 Dec r 1809 ' 6 Parl y Reform Influences]

Description: 25 Dec r 1809 ' 6

Parl y Reform Influences

Number

10

XI

Olim viz. temp. Gul um, points might be carried by corruption[?] a few individuals: but this was before the King with the royal corruption[?] system was thoroughly established

Modo[?] nothing could be thus done - Nabob of Arcet[?] his few members where a man who has a seat puts in a friend - it is this case; and what does this do

{' Corruptor, an individual.}

{No mischief done but in so far as the corruptor[?] member gives himself to a corrupt administration - viz in possession or in expectancy.}

{'.6.II Corruptor and individual - 1 Mischief to the public.}

{We come now to the case where the corruptor the person in whose dependence the Member is placed, or by whom dependent or independent he has been seated is - not the Minister - not the agent of the King, but some insulated individual.}

Here the act of corruption in so far as on the active side of the transaction any act has had place is in name at least the same, as in the former case: so the immediate result of that act the dependence, if it be a case of dependence. Every thing in last[?] is the same except the consequences - the only material consequences.

130_007.xml

Title: [30 Dec r 1809 Parl y Ref m]

Description: 30 Dec r 1809

Parl y Ref m

'.9.

Ch. Parl Corrupted[?] I Members? II Electors?

'.1.

2

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On this occasion, the immediate subject of consideration /the enquiry/ is the manner in which the Member in question comes in possession of his seat: not the course of his conduct not the line of conduct which while he continues in it he may be expected to pursue.

But on a preceding occasion, the mode of a mans coming into /by/ his seat was a circumstance that could not but be brought to view: for the direct subject of the consideration enquiry being what in the situation in question the line of conduct pursued by him was /is/ likely to be, the mode of his coming into that situation was necessarily brought to view, viz. in the character of a circumstance by which is conduct in it could not but be more or less influenced, and under some circumstances absolutely and continually determined.

A considerable circumstance that contributed to render it requisite and necessary to enter, even under this present general head thus far into the consideration of the mode of a man's coming by /entrance into/ his seat, is that as yet for this purpose the situation of the Parliamentary Elector by whose suffrage the person in question is placed in such his seat, does not as yet come upon the carpet. It is indeed by an influence of some sort or other exercised by the patron of the seat in the Electors by whose suffrage the seat is filled, that the placing /seating/ of the incumbent in that seat is accomplished such then is the case: but in what particular mode or modes this influence is capable of being productive of such its effect is a question that will still remove[?] for our second general head, viz. the influence of the system of corruption and corrupt dependence of the situati n of parliamentary Electors.