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27 May 1819 Disfranchisements proposed
27 May 1819

Disfranchisements proposed

Disfranchising

§.6.5. Evil. 5. Producing misplaced confidence

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§.6.5. Evil. 5. Producing misplaced confidence

or 1.

§.6.5. Evil. 5. Producing groundless confidence: imputing reformism to

anti-reformists.

or 2.

Object ascribed to this measure by its supporters raising reputation of Parliament.

or 3.

Reformist. How? by causing to be attributed to it what design?

or 4.

Anti reformist: Design to see 1. the state of the Representation receive a beneficial

change 2. to take measures accordingly.

or 5.

Reformist. Shown in Plan Cat, except under pressure as in Ireland A o. 1780, no such wish possible to Monarch, Lords or Commons. This not | | by

any one. No body acts contrary to its manifest particular

interest

or 6.

Anti Reformist

Theory this –

or 7.

Reformist: True: and so is the opposite to it

§.6.5. Evil. 5. Producing misplaced confidence.

or 8.

Reformist. Though theoretical my pretensions not the less incontrovertible: viz:

1. The measure is unfavourable to universal interest

2. favorable to particular d o.

By the measure in question are afforded

1. Practical proof of my theory:

2. Disproof of your.

or 9.

Wish and endeavour here of ruling few to propagate the opinion that

1. Ruling fews interest coincides compleatly with d o. of subject

many.

2 or[?] in the interest of any

will be sacrificed to it.

or 10.

Acting as they have they can not have had any design to make any change in the

representation beneficial to the Universal interest: or to any person that by the

change in question universal interest cou d be served

§.6.5. Evil 5. Producing misplaced confidence.

or 11.

Shewn above by this charge universal interest would be – not only not served but

disserved.

Whether by any supporters of it the opinion of its being serviceable to universal

interests reader judge.

or 12.

Remains to shew that from this change no design of any change beneficial to universal

interest can justly be inferred.

or 13.

All confidence placed in hands interested and able to abuse it is sure to be abused,

the more of such confidence the more evil. To support reputation is to encrease

confidence.

or 14.

Their design is by this to support reputation. But the higher their reputation the

greater the evil, as above –

or 15.

Anti Reformist – In all points think you there is this oppositeness of interests?

or 16.

Reformist: Not in all: but in so many, that oppositeness is the general rule,

coincidence the exception.
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    §.6.5. Evil 5. Producing misplaced /groundless/ confidence

    or 17.

    Example. Care of the currency. Here a Coincidence. Wish and endeavour accordingly

    sincere.

    or 18.

    Here then for people’s confidence a ground

    or 19.

    But here as elsewhere at every oppositeness of interests, the ground for confidence

    fails.

    or 20.

    Ulterior design – what if any?

    By some of the | | in the sinister interest the sort of promise it seems to afford of

    ulterior change, is approved as helping to keep up the delusion and groundless

    confidence: by others disapproved: because promise keeps up hope; hope, desire; and

    desire endeavour.

    or 21.

    Another point undeterminable – how far if at all by its supporters this particular

    sort of change is designed to be applied to other seats.

    §.6.5. Evil 5. Producing misplaced confidence

    or 22.

    By some the wish to see such ulterior application has been declared – and of these by

    some has been declared the wish to see all such changes made as shall be necessary to

    remedy imperfections in the representation.

    or 23.

    By these last this particular change is lauded as a proof of sincerity, and an | | of

    all such desirable changes: a stay-stomach. But no such design is entertained by any

    of them.

    or 24.

    Anti reformist. How can you think so? when in your opinion by this change, their

    sinister interest is served.

    or 25.

    Reformist: Yes: but so slowly that the service looked for from it as a preventive of

    other changes is much greater.

    26.

    Proofs of the endeavour to give effect to this wish of prevention

    1. Lord Erskine

    Defence of the Whigs.

    §.6.5. Evil 5. Producing misplaced confidence

    27.

    II Edinburgh Review of Plan Cats in p.199 Reference to an undescribed Parliamentary

    Reform to be effected by Whigs when in power

    The passage transcribed with Notes.

    28.

    Per J. B. By whatever has by Whigs been proposed or insinuated in the way of reform

    the desire | | is the desire not to promote reform but to prevent it.

    29.

    Follows sale proof of sincere desire: viz promoting the adoption of the Ballot for

    the present without any other change.

    30.

    The ballot having been combated by a regular argument in the Edinburgh Review follows

    an examination of that part of the article on Plan Cat.
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    §.6. 5. Evil effect the fifth – Producing ungrounded /groundless/ confidence: belief contrary to all reason and experience of a design to effect reform, where no such design, but the contrary has place.

    By many of those who /by whom/ on the occasion of the still depending measures, this plan of gradual disfranchisement and concomitant extension of suffrage, has been supported, our object has been declared, and that it should aim[?] if not as the sole, at any rate as the most important one: namely the raising the reputation of Parliament. +

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    Reformist In a former work I have /it has been/ shewn that in the situation of the powers /persons/ in question – Monarch – House of Commons House of Lords and Monarch – the entertaining any such wish, in any other circumstances than those /that/ of a troublesome /an annoying and alarming/ pressure from without, is not in human nature.

    This being uncontrovertible, no anti-reformist has ventured any such attempt as that of controverting it: the only recourse silence has been the recourse resorted to

    It would be to act in contrariety to interest – to predominant and manifest and self-understood particular interest: a course of action of which no governing body has ever been or ever will be seen to exemplify in its own conduct and reaction.

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    {Supposing him to regard himself as forced to say something, this would the anti-reformist say to theory.} /Anti-Reformist. Theory then nothing better:/ a theory about the constitution of the human nature.

    Reformist. True: and /but/ if you deny it, it is also upon theory that you deny it. Man is not governed by interest: this is your theory: man is governed by interest: this is mine.

    Well call this theory if you please. But what I say is – 1 The measure in question is opposite /pernicious/ /unfavourable/ /prejudicial/ to the universal interest. 2 It is conducive /favourable/ to the particular interest of those by whom it has been introduced and is supported. In /By/ this measure there is furnished a practical proof of this my theory; a practical disproof of your’s

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