JB_128_010.xml

Title: [27 May 1819 Disfranchisements proposed]

Description: 27 May 1819

Disfranchisements proposed

Disfranchising

§.6.5. Evil. 5. Producing misplaced confidence

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§.6.5. Evil. 5. Producing misplaced confidence

or 1.

§.6.5. Evil. 5. Producing groundless confidence: imputing reformism to

anti-reformists.

or 2.

Object ascribed to this measure by its supporters raising reputation of Parliament.

or 3.

Reformist. How? by causing to be attributed to it what design?

or 4.

Anti reformist: Design to see 1. the state of the Representation receive a beneficial

change 2. to take measures accordingly.

or 5.

Reformist. Shown in Plan Cat, except under pressure as in Ireland A o. 1780, no such wish possible to Monarch, Lords or Commons. This not | | by

any one. No body acts contrary to its manifest particular

interest

or 6.

Anti Reformist

Theory this –

or 7.

Reformist: True: and so is the opposite to it

§.6.5. Evil. 5. Producing misplaced confidence.

or 8.

Reformist. Though theoretical my pretensions not the less incontrovertible: viz:

1. The measure is unfavourable to universal interest

2. favorable to particular d o.

By the measure in question are afforded

1. Practical proof of my theory:

2. Disproof of your.

or 9.

Wish and endeavour here of ruling few to propagate the opinion that

1. Ruling fews interest coincides compleatly with d o. of subject

many.

2 or[?] in the interest of any

will be sacrificed to it.

or 10.

Acting as they have they can not have had any design to make any change in the

representation beneficial to the Universal interest: or to any person that by the

change in question universal interest cou d be served

§.6.5. Evil 5. Producing misplaced confidence.

or 11.

Shewn above by this charge universal interest would be – not only not served but

disserved.

Whether by any supporters of it the opinion of its being serviceable to universal

interests reader judge.

or 12.

Remains to shew that from this change no design of any change beneficial to universal

interest can justly be inferred.

or 13.

All confidence placed in hands interested and able to abuse it is sure to be abused,

the more of such confidence the more evil. To support reputation is to encrease

confidence.

or 14.

Their design is by this to support reputation. But the higher their reputation the

greater the evil, as above –

or 15.

Anti Reformist – In all points think you there is this oppositeness of interests?

or 16.

Reformist: Not in all: but in so many, that oppositeness is the general rule,

coincidence the exception.

JB_128_337.xml

Title: [1818 Dec r. 16 Parl Reform Bill]

Description: 1818 Dec r. 16

Parl Reform Bill

Dialogue

Preliminary View

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{Anti} / Non/ Reformist. Well – I see already /at any rate/ your

Bill of fare: and certainly, if not a very attractive it is at any rate not an

uninteresting one. I shall accordingly, whether I venture to taste the dishes or no,

endeavour to keep the names of them in mind. Meantime, what your are it is to be

hoped aware of is – that though under every one of these heads abuse should in point

of fact have been proved, yet still for giving a true character of the scheme of

government, any such title as to system of abuse might still be too hard: and that

although every head of abuse a sample were to be produced, still it will depend upon

a the quantity whether so harsh an /any such harsh/ appellative shall be a merited

one.

Reformist. Assuredly. And therefore it is /this is one reason/ why at present there

will be a particular use in commencing /beginning/ with the proof from theory. For

should it be found by you such as it appears to me, you will see that even if as yet

the quantity is not sufficient to form an adequate justification for that title, yet

that, consistently with the nature of men, the nature of the case, the nature of

things – take which phrase you please, sooner or later but for a change such as that

in question it can not if man be man /so long as man is man/, fail to do so.

Another advantage is – that by this proof from theory, a ground, and that a

sufficient one – will already have been made for the introduction of a like summary

view of the nature of the remedy here proposed as the only one by which the clearing

of the system of command from the mass of abuse with which according to this /my/

view of it it is defiled and […?] and so much to its disadvantage distinguished, can

be effected.

132-200.xml

Title: [1819 March 14 Letter 6. Whigs Anti]

Description: 1819 March 14

Letter 6. Whigs Anti Reformists

Erskines Reform I. or III Shape

Earl Grey

9?

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disagree on the question how far it was advisable to go in those measures by which the appearance of endeavouring at the end should be kept up. Differ they would of course: and if they could not have differed otherwise, nothing could have been more easy for them than to have agreed to differ: and suppose them all agreed – suppose Honourable House as unanimous in wishing for reform as it was in wishing the contrary, there was the Monarch – there were the Lords – there was the balance of the Constitution – what could one branch of the legislature do against two? There was the Revolution. What? could they have done any thing more for the people than was done at and by the Revolution? Oh no perish the people rather that would be to “cast into shade the character of the Revolution itself.” [*] For why? a little beyond the Revolution it suits not Your Lordships “Great body” ever to budge: the people were made for the Revolution: not the revolution for the people.

people. Change Kings and welcome as often as they can find one that will suit them better than the one we have. This is what they are always ready to do: ready to do when /whenever/ it is impossible to be done /when nobody wants it to be done/, and no good to be done by doing it /no reason for doing it/. Change Kings and welcome! any thing but change representatives: any thing but suffer the people to choose those whom they are said to choose {any thing but to substitute the thing which is to the thing which is not:} any thing but suffer the people to save themselves from being systematically oppressed and plundered by their pretended protectors

[*] p. 2