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1819 Jan. y 4
Parl. Reform Bill
Dialogues
Preliminary View
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Conclusion
Reformist. May I not now indulge some hope of your approbation for my plan?
Anti-Reformist. I will consider of it.
Reformist. This is all I ask, and as much as for the present I can expect.
Anti-Reformist. Thus much I am prepared already to say to you, that if in any part
of it there be any gross absurdity, it is more than I have been able to discern[?].
As to your motives ...
Reformist. Oh, let us not talk /think/ of motives. Ascribe to the author what
motives you please /Man shall be what you please/, the work /plan/ will be neither
the better nor the worse.
Think your objections over again – look at them one by one – one and all you will
find them one and all the result – not of thought, but of want of thought. Vague
generalities such as their apt denominations – such their common character: current
language, commonly received and never[?] examined conceptions – such is their
source.
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Title: [1819 Jan. y 12 Parl. Reform Bill]Description: 1819 Jan. y 12 Parl. Reform Bill Preliminary View Evils & Remedies Remedies Miselection Electors Qualifications 3 Scholarship 10 51 Anti Reformist. Ah now – here are you running riot again. You have forgot your list of qualifications. Are you come to the end of them? Refromist. Not quite: there remains one more. With your leave to save words, I will call it in one word Scholarship. Anti-Reformist. Scholarship, quotha? and so your voters are to be all Scholars: and none but such as are Scholars are to have votes. Well – one comfort is – that the multitude which I confess I have always been so much afraid of will be somewhat thinned. Reformist. Not so much as you seem to imagine. All the scholarship I require is contained in a man’s being able to read the bible in his mother tongue, and to trace out in any legible manner the small number of characters of which his name is composed. Anti-Reformist. And of those who do not /would not otherwise/ possess it how many do you expect and in your expectation put themselves in possession of this qualification /it/. How many are there that would find means? how many are there that would find motives? Reformist. As for what regards means, the point /matter/ has been pretty well settled already: settled by an experiment made in a scale of such extent, and under such disadvantages, as suffices already to throw the /all/ idea of difficulty out of the case. Anti-Reformist. What is this you are talking of ? /have in view?/ {you are so sanguine about? What new and curious invention have you got here?}
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Title: [1819 Jan. y 10 Parl. Reform Bill]Description: 1819 Jan. y 10 Parl. Reform Bill Preliminary View Evils & Remedies II. Remedies Miselection II. through transgressions of law 1 37 Leget ut Clericus.[?] Anti-Reformist. Well now, suppose them all effective and adequate these remedies of yours for the prevention of Miselection through unfitness on the part of that law itself in that part of the law by which the qualification of proposed Members and Electors are respectively appointed /determined/ prescribed, let us now see what provision you make One cause of Miselection shall remain, I mean the misexecution or non-execution of the determinations /appointments/ so made. Under the provisions so made according to the plan chalked out by you, in the District of Freeborough, Francis Freeman is the proposed Member that ought to have been returned But by mal practice in some shape or other say force or fraud, not he but William Wrongham has been returned. What remedies does your plan provide against Miselection from such a cause? Reformist. The same that it provides against Non-election and Null Election. Such is the connection All those Election evils, they are, all of them, liable to be produced by the same set of causes, all of them capable of being prevented /obviated/ by the same remedies. Force, fraud, accident – to /under/ one or other of these heads may all the disastrous causes in question be found referable /reducible/. {Simplicity of arrangement despatch.} Care taken for the Exclusion of motives to delinquency – for the exclusion of the means of delinquency, for the notoriety of all the relevant facts – in this short list you have /these words will conduct you to/ the remedies
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Title: [1819 Jan y Parl. Reform Bill]Description: 1819 Jan y Parl. Reform Bill Dialogue Preliminary View Corruptibility Annuality 11 2 53 {34} Anti-Reformist continued. But /let then/ suppose them thus bought – how, after all your pains to secure the most apt Election what after all have you but Miselection. For being thus corrupt after they are bought, what they were before they were bought is matter of indifference. Reformist. Monarch ready to buy. Representatives ready to be bought. Very well. Readiness of this sort, readiness, on both sides, as perfect as you please. But here then, comes in our remedy, annuality of election on the part of the whole body of Electors speedy removal /cutting off/ of the corrupt and offending number. Anti-Reformist. Oh yes: when the mischief is done, then are you ready with your preventive remedy. When the needless millions have been voted, and the act passed, then are you ready to turn out those by whom they have been voted. Then, in come another set, who being bought, vote and are turned out: and so things go on after your reform as according to you they do now without it. Reformist. {Smart enough: but rather too lively.}
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