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1821 Aug. 3 Rid Yourselves
1821 Aug. 3

Rid Yourselves

Lett. Ultramaria Submission, profit none

Such then, for a certain length of time - say one /for a twelve month

- or each separate/ year or say two years - say even three years - such for the

purpose of the argumetn shall be their despotism. /In and/ By this supposition I have

surely rendered /made/ my concession broad enough, sems that in doing so I have

already so widely substepped the bounds of moral possibility, you must not expect me

to go: for as to the /any further/ continuance of such a disposition, even admitting

the commencement of it as above, thus I shall thereupon proceed to prove it to you as

impossible. At the same time this concession must have the reasonable limits and

appendages.

The disposition to give their acceptance to the Code in the gross -

in a word theri actual acceptance of it in that way this is what I admitt: their

acceptance of it as in Spain you and your rulers have been given acceptance to it: as

in Portugal your neighbours the Robespierres have given acceptance to it: as

acceptance was given to it alas! with how little fact! in Naples and in Piedmont.

But of this acceptance, not to maravedi in many will be among the

[...?] nor so much as the natural fruits: for this I undertake to prove to you under

the Code it can not be, so that here in the pecuniary and commercial here is no

profit

On the other hand, for preserving these possessions against all

future disturbance, whether from within or from without your rulers must levy upon

you in the way of taxes and forced levies a quantity of money and a number of men not

less than what was levied upon you before the commencement of the existing

disturbances: so that those two sums, untill [...?} to some amount in those shapes

respectively shall have been made will be /is/ all loss, and till [...?] has been

made to the amount of principal and interest (and it should be compared such [...?]

those will remain so much less.

For loving-kindness such money they may give as any body may give to

any body, but the gift of any such share be will not have for its efficient causes

any ordinances that are to be found in the Code
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